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hey guys Ryan Sprague here from the

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summer in the skies podcast and welcome

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to my new series somewhere in the skies

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case files and for our very first case

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today we're going to be covering the

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Carlos De Santos UFO incident tell me

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what you think in the comments below let

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me know what cases you want me to cover

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on this new series and I'll see you on

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foreign

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it was the morning of May 3rd 1975. Upon

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returning from a routine flight from

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zawatanejo to Mexico City 23 year old

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pilot Carlos De Santos prepared his

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Piper pa-2-4 plane and it was soon in

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the skies heading for the Benito Juarez

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International Airport it was over the

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VHF omnidirectional radio range when

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Carlos noticed something odd in the

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distance as he approached the Oddity on

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his left it soon came into view there in

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the skies was a craft gray in color and

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saucer shaped it was much smaller than

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his plane as it began to follow his left

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wing it had what appeared to be a

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cockpit of some sort on the top with a

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blackened out window as Carlos stared in

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awe at the craft he had a strange

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feeling that he was being watched from

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the other side of his plane he turned to

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look and on his right wing was yet

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another identical craft Carlos now felt

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uneasy but before he could even process

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descending beneath the front reacting on

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impulse Carlos dipped the nose of the

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plane to observe where this craft had

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gone to his surprise and dismay the

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hitting and scraping the fuselage

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damaging the landing gear of the plane

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it was at this point that Carlos no

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plane no matter what he did to try to

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working surrounded by the three unknown

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objects he was sure that they were

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moving in to attack surprisingly however

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Carlos felt as though they were guiding

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him he still felt threatened and

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attempted to bump the object to his

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right hoping this would somehow stop

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their control over his plane but it

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didn't they were still in complete

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control and now forcing the piper plane

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helpless and Afraid of the rapid

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killing him Carlos did the only thing he

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could do he radioed for help connecting

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with a control tower in Mexico City he

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sent a distress call yelling Mayday as

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loud and as frequent as he possibly

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he went on to describe what was

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happening stating that quote I have

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three unidentified visual objects flying

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around me end quote he then went on to

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explain that quote I'm apparently Flying

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Without control the plane is without

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control I'm not controlling the plane

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end quote the control tower instructed

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him to decelerate and descend but Carlos

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explained that he couldn't he believed

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themselves and begin to head toward the

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nearby Mount popo katipeto volcano at

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unbelievable speeds the object soon

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was damaged beyond control the airport

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airport almost a dozen times Carlos

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fix the landing gear he was able to find

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they did indeed view the objects in real

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that Carlos had been reporting according

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to UFO researcher Miguel Romero an

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affidavit was recorded in official

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civil Aeronautics by the officer of

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Carlos about what had happened the case

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was also investigated by Project Blue

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what can only be described as Men In

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had happened or he and his family could

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suffer consequences but he was adamant

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public and even until this day continues

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to speak out about it Carlos went on to

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that almost fateful day in 1975

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completely changed his outlook on what

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lay Somewhere In The Sky Is Over Mexico

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trio of saucer-shaped craft seemed to

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another episode of somewhere in the

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skies case files and today we're going

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to be talking about one of my personal

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Heroes Ellison odizuka the first Asian

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to ever go into space but he's also

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known for something much different

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something that would put him in the

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annals of UFO history forever

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throughout the history of modern UFO

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research there have been many reports of

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crashed flying saucers and dead alien

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bodies being shipped off to destinations

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unknown and while many of these reports

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come from dubious and less than credible

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witnesses there are those rare occasions

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extremely prominent and highly credible

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individuals such was the case for Clark

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B McClelland former spacecraft operator

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McClelland had an interest in UFOs

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major Donald Kehoe and Dick Hall two

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investigations committee on aerial

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that life does exist Among the Stars and

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that it has visited Earth throughout

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human history at this point onizuka

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smile and then pressed on he asked

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McClelland if his name had any type of

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connection to McClelland Air Force Base

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wasn't aware of any connection he asked

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on Azuka why he was so curious McLellan

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recalled the following about onizuka's

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response quote he had a surprising

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nine years prior to his Astronaut

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officer end quote at this point onizuka

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to McClelland stating that quote we were

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question what it was they were seeing so

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scheduled technical activities as if

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postulated the following to McClelland

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psychological test for military reasons

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selection as an astronaut in 1978 you

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actually saw an alien being end quote it

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that the two went their separate ways

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but not before agreeing to meet again to

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discuss the extraordinary story in more

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detail McClelland wished onizuka the

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best of luck in his upcoming Challenger

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space flight Mission unbeknownst to both

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men that day it would be the last time

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they ever spoke

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on January 8 1986 onizuka and the other

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members of the Challenger crew lost

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their lives in the tragic accident that

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shook the nation

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that day when the Challenger exploded

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and fell into the Atlantic Ocean with it

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the incredible accomplishments of the

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crew lived on in the memories of many

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remembered by most for being the first

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possible alien beings and the strange

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film he'd witnessed ushering in yet

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another controversial Tale in the annals

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of UFO lore

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hi guys Ryan here and welcome to another

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episode of somewhere in the skies case

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files and today we're going to be

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talking about a case where an Army

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Reserve helicopter flying over Mansfield

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Ohio almost had a mid-air collision with

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foreign

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Army Reserve uh-1 helicopter cut through

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the night sky on October 18 1973 the

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four-man crew Captain Lawrence Coyne

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Lieutenant Arrigo Jesse Sergeant John

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Healy and Robert yanasek had traveled

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from Cleveland to Columbus earlier that

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evening for a regular standard medical

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examination

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following that they would board their

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vehicle at 10 30 pm and leave for their

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return Journey back to Cleveland

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it was while they were over Mansfield

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that the Knight took a strange turn

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they were flying at 2500 feet the

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mixture of woods Hills and farmland

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below them it was Healy who first

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spotted the strange red light to their

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left

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it was at some distance but it looked

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too bright to be a standard aircraft

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light he would keep the sighting to

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himself but keep his eye on it several

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moments later janicek noticed the red

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light also when it began to close in on

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their craft he informed Captain coin

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believing themselves to be on a

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collision course with this object coin

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thrust the helicopter down descending

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around 500 feet

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as he did so he would request

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information from the control tower in

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Mansfield a few seconds after initial

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radio contact with the tower their

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Communications began to be interrupted

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the red object was still heading in

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their Direction I looked out the window

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and observed this light moving at a very

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excessive speed in excess of 600 knots

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coming at the helicopter it looked like

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a lockdown missile the men prepared for

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impact just as the object was about to

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crash into the helicopter it came to a

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complete stop directly in front and

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slightly above them the thing that makes

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this particular evening a unique

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experience was that it was almost

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emitter collision with an object that we

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or you know as a UFO we did not know as

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such and told it was on top the

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helicopter and that took just a matter

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of minutes the metallic cigar-shaped

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object hung in the air filling the

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entire windshield the crew would

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estimate the object to be around 60 feet

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in length and around 20 feet

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all four men look down in awe of this

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huge otherworldly craft

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suddenly a green light swung from

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underneath and hit the windshield of the

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helicopter according to coin the whole

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cabin turned green as the light

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illuminated everything in a bright green

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wash after a few seconds the light went

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out and the object moved up and to the

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West at great speed

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coin who had the helicopter's height

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locked throughout the incident at about

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1700 feet realized they were Suddenly at

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a height of 3 500 feet they had climbed

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almost 2 000 feet in a matter of seconds

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and never even knew it

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suddenly a bump nudged the helicopter

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and instinctively coin climbed slightly

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the vehicle now back in his control the

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crew still shaken continued on to

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Cleveland where they would make an

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official report of the incident

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however unlike many encounters involving

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aircraft Pilots military or commercial

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coin would give his report to the media

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upon Landing the object that I viewed

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that particular evening uh

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had a high degree of Technology was

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composed of a structure and a design

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that we do not have the object can move

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through the atmosphere without causing

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any turbulence it can move at high

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speeds below 10 000 feet so our new

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vertical or horizontal stabilizers and

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the landing gear no source of propulsion

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reflected on the craft looks like it it

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could go to fly in space a local

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Cleveland reporter ran the story the

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following day shortly after coin

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appeared on the Dick Cavett Show and

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told of the encounter to a national

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audience it's because of his actions

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that the account is largely seen as

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credible it also gave the military no

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chance to cover up or ridicule the

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incident

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and even if they had tried several

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people below also witnessed the bizarre

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events unfold

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there were several witnesses on the

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ground who would corroborate the Pilot's

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accounts one of them was Jim Carver and

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his family who were driving to the rural

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home just outside of Mansfield along

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with Jim were his three siblings and his

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mother Emma it was shortly after 11 pm

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when they noticed a strange red light in

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the sky above them it appeared to be

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getting closer

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Emma turned the car onto Route 430 as

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she did so both she and her four

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children could now see two lights above

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one was Fred the other green

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as each of them watched the lights in

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fascination

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they noticed the sound of an approaching

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helicopter Emma pulled the car to the

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side of the road and she and her

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children stepped out to watch the events

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above

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they could see the huge cigar-shaped

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object hovering over the helicopter

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suddenly they witnessed the bright green

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light shoot from the underside and

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bathed not only the entire cockpit and

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fluorescent green but everything in

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sight

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as the crew reported after a few seconds

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the light went out and the object moved

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away casting a brief flash of bright

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white light as it did incidentally there

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was a spike in UFO sightings throughout

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the US in October of 1973. in 1988

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almost 15 years later a new witness came

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forward with more information Gian Elias

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from the southeast Mansfield area

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recalled laying in bed watching the 11

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pm news when the sound of an extremely

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low-flying helicopter made her stop

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watching the TV she was used to

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low-flying aircraft as their house was

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only six miles from the Mansfield

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Airport runway however this aircraft

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sounded lower than normal and she feared

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an imminent crash

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as she panicked she hit her head under

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the pillow on her bed she could hear her

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teenage son John calling to her from his

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room next door the loud rumbling sound

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had awoken him and a bright green light

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filled his entire room from outside

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following an appeal in the Mansfield

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News Journal in 2015 for witnesses to

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the Mansfield incident many people did

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come forward with new information one

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was Brian Stevens who at the time of the

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incident was 13 years old he would

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recall seeing a red orange ball that he

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couldn't take his eyes off of as he

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walked along Ohio 39 another new witness

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Glenn Stout worked at Mansfield Tire he

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and several co-workers were on a break

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at the back dock when a crazy looking

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light sped towards a helicopter nearly

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crashing one particularly bizarre detail

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offered by Stout was his home electric

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bill for the month following the

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incident was only four dollars he

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wondered if this surprisingly low Bill

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had a connection to the UFO overhead

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that evening

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bring on all the UFO encounters here in

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New York City please my electric Bill's

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insane

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Judith ham was yet another person who

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witnessed the bizarre events in 1973.

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she claimed to have almost screamed out

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loud as she witnessed what she thought

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was two planes about to crash

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ham believed it was a military plane

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until reading stories of the encounter

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afterward

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but let's return to where this all began

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with Captain Cohen and the rest of the

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helicopter crew

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just what was it that was seen that

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evening in the Skies over Mansfield Ohio

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may never be known while it isn't beyond

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the realm of possibility that the

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military has more information about the

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case the fact that coin bypass potential

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sensor heavy channels by speaking

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directly with the media suggests the

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incident is mostly intact

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whether or not there was some

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clandestine military involvement

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somewhere in the timeline of the episode

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is open to debate and just like many

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other UFO cases it also remains

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unexplained

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I would like to stress one important

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fact

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and that is there is approximately 20

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years of Army Aviation experience

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between the four men on board the

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helicopter that night

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we have been trained to follow

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procedures and regulations in reporting

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incidences

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regardless of how they're accepted

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and we try to follow those procedures

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and we reported the incident as it

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occurred

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and have avoided any speculation on the

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subject hi guys Ryan Sprague here and

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welcome to another episode of somewhere

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in the skies case files and today we're

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going to be asking the question did the

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U.S military capture shoot and kill in

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extraterrestrial

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enjoy

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[Music]

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thank you

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foreign

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it was on the morning of January 18

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1978 when New Jersey State Police

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requested entry under McGuire Air Force

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Base along with the adjacent Fort Dix

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base UFOs had been reported earlier in

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the evening

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the police said they were looking for

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was Far Stranger Than Just lights in the

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sky when asked just exactly why the

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state troopers needed access to the base

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they explained that an MP at Fort Dix

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had seen a low-flying object that had

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passed over his car as he looked back to

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the road below he hit the brakes in a

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panic standing in front of his vehicle

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in the headlights was a small being with

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a large head black eyes and a very

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slender body the MP panicked getting out

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of the car and pulling his 45 automatic

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he demanded that the being lay on the

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ground and when it didn't comply he

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began to shoot

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wounded the being fled the scene

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supposedly hopping the fence between the

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bases it then ran down a deserted

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Airfield Runway at McGuire and

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eventually fell to the ground dying the

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guard on duty at this point one Sergeant

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Jeff Morse allowed the police onto the

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runway to search for the being there

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they found the body crouched in a fetal

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position not breathing it was indeed

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dead

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shocked but keeping with protocol they

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began to rope off the area

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suddenly a group of Military Officers in

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blue Berets arrived distancing Morse

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from the area more swatched on from afar

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as this new group clad in blue Berets

556
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whom he'd never seen before seemed to

557
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:28,679
take charge of the situation UFO

558
00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:31,380
researcher Leonard Stringfield once

559
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:33,860
interviewed Morse about the being itself

560
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:36,299
Stringfield stated the following about

561
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,659
how Morse described it quote never close

562
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:42,000
enough to observe details such as facial

563
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,940
features or its hands and feet he did

564
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,039
recall that under the glare of truck

565
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:49,679
headlights the skin of the unclad

566
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,919
hairless body was wet shiny and

567
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,320
snake-like the entity was about four

568
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:58,020
feet in height with a large head slender

569
00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:02,100
torso thin arms and legs and overall a

570
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,760
grayish Brown coloration end quote

571
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,320
Stringfield also inquired about the

572
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:09,840
retrieval operation itself as these blue

573
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:12,539
beret officers worked their secretive

574
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:15,720
magic stringfeld stated that quote while

575
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,179
on patrol Morse watched the blue Beret

576
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:20,880
Specialists spray the corpse from a

577
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:23,159
portable tank and cover it with a white

578
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,260
sheet before the body was carefully

579
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:27,840
placed onto a platform in a wooden frame

580
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:29,580
built around it

581
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:32,100
this was finally placed into a large

582
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,159
square silver metal container about 10

583
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:38,340
by 10 feet with indistinguishable blue

584
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,360
markings end quote after this a c-141

585
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,360
cargo aircraft landed on the site the

586
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,940
beam was loaded on board and it has been

587
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,919
suspected that it took off towards

588
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:51,919
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

589
00:26:58,090 --> 00:26:55,440
supposedly the same base in 1947 Roswell

590
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,100
crash bodies were shipped off to as well

591
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:00,480
Morse and the police officer were

592
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,340
separated and both were told that if

593
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,380
they ever spoke of what they'd seen that

594
00:27:08,769 --> 00:27:06,600
day they would immediately be stripped

595
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:08,779
of their duties in their respective jobs

596
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:12,000
it was two days later when Morse and a

597
00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:13,980
few other Witnesses were shipped off to

598
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,220
Wright-Patterson and received intense

599
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,679
interrogations and statements by morse

600
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:22,559
many years later he said quote they told

601
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:25,559
me about my duty to keep my mouth shut I

602
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,200
signed a form and it's supposed to bind

603
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,440
me for life Morse was brought back to

604
00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:34,020
McGuire Air Force Base debriefed by his

605
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,539
superiors and the incident was never

606
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,419
spoken of again it didn't take long for

607
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,760
Morse to start asking around about just

608
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:43,740
exactly what he'd seen that night by

609
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:46,200
other Witnesses when word of this got

610
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,179
out to his superiors many of the

611
00:27:53,649 --> 00:27:50,480
Witnesses were shipped overseas

612
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:53,659
including Morse who soon found himself

613
00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:57,960
stationed at Okinawa on desk duty to

614
00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,059
this day he admits that he's been

615
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:02,580
constantly threatened not to speak of

616
00:28:07,450 --> 00:28:04,919
the event and that the military has gone

617
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,460
to Great Lengths to keep him quiet

618
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:10,440
including personality and professional

619
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:13,080
attacks making it difficult for Morse to

620
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,500
find employment in law enforcement if

621
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:19,260
this wasn't extraordinary or incredible

622
00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:22,140
enough another key witness did come

623
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,779
forward to corroborate this event major

624
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:27,720
George feiler now retired was stationed

625
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,179
at McGuire at the same time as an

626
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:32,640
intelligence officer while not being

627
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,679
present at the actual incident he heard

628
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,020
firsthand about it the following morning

629
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,320
in an interview with ABC News filer

630
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:42,240
stated that quote our security police

631
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:44,700
went out there and found him the alien

632
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,000
at the end of the runway dead

633
00:28:53,409 --> 00:28:51,000
they asked me to brief the general staff

634
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,419
while this briefing was later canceled

635
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:56,100
filer remained convinced that this event

636
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,100
was truly bizarre and the joint bases

637
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:01,200
were doing everything in their power to

638
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:03,419
contain it and keep everyone silent

639
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:05,940
while he couldn't prove that this alien

640
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,279
being was of extraterrestrial origin

641
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,799
word around the base continued to spread

642
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,679
and all were convinced that this was a

643
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,559
genuine UFO landing in the subsequent

644
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:19,520
death of its extraterrestrial occupant

645
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,740
so did a panic to trigger happy MP

646
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:25,200
actually shoot and kill an alien that

647
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:25,980
night

648
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,740
the truth may never be known the lid on

649
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,600
this and so many other apparent

650
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,580
incidents of this silk have been so

651
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:35,460
tightly wound shut that those involved

652
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:38,039
fear the worst for their jobs or perhaps

653
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:39,899
even their lives

654
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:42,960
and I have to admit this one is pretty

655
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,179
hard to swallow while we may have

656
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:47,520
statements we have absolutely no

657
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:50,460
evidence or documents to back any of

658
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,120
this up that's ufology at its best and

659
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:57,240
worst but if this case of an alien

660
00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:00,299
termination is true then we have more to

661
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,779
fear than just military threats we have

662
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:06,000
an alien race expecting one of their own

663
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:09,000
to eventually come home they just

664
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:11,460
probably weren't expecting it to be in a

665
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:12,090
body bag

666
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:19,260
[Music]

667
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:21,480
what's up guys Ryan Sprague here for

668
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:24,179
another episode of case files and today

669
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:25,559
we're going to be asking the question

670
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,880
did a UFO Collide or attack a deputy

671
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:31,919
sheriff's police car

672
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:36,000
this is the Vel Johnson UFO incident

673
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:36,480
[Music]

674
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:38,370
[Applause]

675
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:57,490
[Music]

676
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:00,960
one of the most baffling UFO cases ever

677
00:31:06,909 --> 00:31:04,020
reported took place in Minnesota in the

678
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:06,919
early morning of August 27

679
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,340
1979. deputy sheriff Vel Johnson of the

680
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,260
Marshall County Sheriff's Department was

681
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,419
on patrol that morning when he noticed

682
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:17,580
an extremely bright light coming through

683
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,279
the side window of his patrol car he

684
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:21,960
reported that the light was much

685
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:24,179
stronger than any lighter motor vehicle

686
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:26,520
on the road could produce

687
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,620
his first thought was that it could

688
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:30,960
potentially be an airplane smuggling in

689
00:31:37,149 --> 00:31:34,140
drugs from Canada he surmised the plane

690
00:31:39,889 --> 00:31:37,159
may have crashed or was about to crash

691
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:39,899
he turned on the road to moving close

692
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,940
and head towards the light to

693
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:43,320
investigate

694
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,539
the last thing he remembered was that

695
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:48,240
The Light Came barreling towards him and

696
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:51,240
reached the patrol car so fast that it

697
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:52,679
seemed like it happened in a mere

698
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:56,340
instant he heard glass breaking and then

699
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,730
he went unconscious

700
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,279
[Music]

701
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:01,799
analysis of the accident it was

702
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:04,020
estimated that Deputy Johnson was

703
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,080
unconscious for about 39 minutes

704
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:09,360
when he awoke he radioed headquarters

705
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,580
for help in a weak voice

706
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:13,320
stating that something had hit his

707
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:16,860
patrol car but he did not know what

708
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,220
a second Deputy arrived on the scene he

709
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,080
immediately called the ambulance and

710
00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:24,539
Deputy Johnson was taken to the nearby

711
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:27,779
Warren Hospital Deputy Johnson's eyes

712
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,440
were reported to be red and puffy the

713
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:33,779
medical doctor who examined the deputy

714
00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:35,820
said the injuries to his eyes looked

715
00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:38,039
like they had been inflicted by a

716
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:41,159
welder's torch he also said Deputy

717
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,100
Johnson was in a State of Shock

718
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,840
the Marshall County Sheriff's Department

719
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,240
investigated the Val Johnson UFO

720
00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:51,240
incident extensively but experts were

721
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:53,100
also brought in because the physical

722
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,480
evidence Left Behind was so baffling the

723
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:59,940
windshield of the patrol car was badly

724
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:02,279
cracked from top to bottom

725
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:04,679
however the patterns in which it was

726
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,240
broken defied normal analysis it did not

727
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:11,039
seem to be the result of an outside

728
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,360
force or inside force it almost seemed

729
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,820
as if there were both inside and outside

730
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,640
forces working simultaneously to create

731
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:22,620
a fractured pattern that the

732
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,080
investigators had never seen before or

733
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,840
could explain with ordinary techniques

734
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,120
They concluded that there seemed to be

735
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,820
four separate areas of impact but could

736
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,039
not even Hazard a guess as to what

737
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,740
caused the pattern they saw on the left

738
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,419
side of the front hood of the patrol car

739
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,580
there was a strange one and a half inch

740
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:44,399
circular Dent the headlights were broken

741
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,440
on the side of both the inside and the

742
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,779
outside of the patrol car

743
00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:50,580
however the headlights on the other side

744
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:53,240
of the patrol car were left untouched

745
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,059
the main antenna was inexplicably bent

746
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,240
at a 60 degree angle starting at six

747
00:34:05,769 --> 00:34:02,700
inches from the base of the antenna the

748
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,779
antenna in the truck was also damaged

749
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:08,280
one of the strangest things the

750
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:10,200
investigators found was that the patrol

751
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:13,800
car clock was behind 14 minutes

752
00:34:19,930 --> 00:34:17,040
and Deputy Johnson's wristwatch was also

753
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:19,940
behind the exact same amount of time

754
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,980
before the incident both the patrol car

755
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,320
clock and Deputy Johnson's wristwatch

756
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:27,899
had been synchronized with the clock at

757
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,440
headquarters no logical explanation has

758
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:33,839
ever been given for why the patrol car

759
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,119
clock and the wristwatch were both

760
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,599
affected in the exact same way while

761
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,580
there were many experts involved in

762
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,220
analyzing the damaged patrol car and

763
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:46,679
other physical evidence one is

764
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:50,520
particularly noteworthy this was J Allen

765
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:52,919
heineck the consultant for the U.S Air

766
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,639
Force's UFO Project Blue Book as Dr

767
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:58,800
heineck and his team investigated the

768
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:01,619
Vel Johnson UFO incident he concluded

769
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:04,740
that it was not a hoax further nothing

770
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:06,839
in Deputy Johnson's statement seemed

771
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,280
untruthful

772
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,560
Dr heineck proposed that the cracked

773
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:12,960
windshield had been damaged by rocks

774
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:15,540
being carried in a wake of a very large

775
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:19,520
object moving at extraordinary speeds

776
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:22,440
further he proposed that the antenna had

777
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:25,500
been bent for the sheer velocity of the

778
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,900
air that rushed past the patrol car that

779
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,760
night

780
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,160
control car is now on permanent display

781
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,320
at the Marshall County Historical

782
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,240
Society Museum

783
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,640
it is always one of the top attractions

784
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:41,359
during the annual Minnesota county fair

785
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,060
when the incident occurred in 1979 there

786
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:47,579
were only about 60 thousand miles on the

787
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:49,619
patrol car so the Marshall County

788
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,780
Sheriff officials wanted the car

789
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:54,960
repaired and put back into Commission

790
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,200
however Sheriff Dennis Breck convinced

791
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:00,780
them to decommission the car and put it

792
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:03,300
on public display

793
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:05,820
the patrol car has achieved legendary

794
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,760
status among those who believe in

795
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:12,240
paranormal phenomena and UFOs

796
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,480
in fact the Vel Johnson incident is so

797
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:17,760
famous there have been two documentary

798
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:21,660
style television programs devoted to it

799
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:24,660
Val Johnson received much attention for

800
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,480
the incident so much in fact that he

801
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:29,339
told the press that the incident had

802
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:31,380
caused a great deal of emotional

803
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,160
strength on himself and his family while

804
00:36:40,270 --> 00:36:37,920
he did appear on several interviews with

805
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:40,280
local news and even Good Morning America

806
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,320
he began to withdraw from other press

807
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:44,960
appearances

808
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,180
no matter what this UFO encounter will

809
00:36:54,609 --> 00:36:51,119
live in the history books as one of the

810
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,619
most fascinating UFO cases of all time

811
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,060
still to this day the incident service

812
00:37:02,510 --> 00:36:59,220
is one of the very best cases where

813
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:02,520
physical evidence was left behind by a

814
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,060
UFO every year since the incident one

815
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,280
Minnesota has received a great many

816
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:10,980
visitors wishing to see for themselves

817
00:37:17,710 --> 00:37:14,460
the patrol car with its peculiar damage

818
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:17,720
in the area where the incident occurred

819
00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:20,400
the light was coming at me was extremely

820
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:22,859
bright the inside of the car it up I can

821
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,400
remember that and it was a very dazzling

822
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:28,859
brilliant occurrence something did

823
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,040
strike my vehicle something

824
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,800
didn't want me there apparently or it

825
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:37,200
was you know I I can't put a judgment on

826
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:38,460
it

827
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:47,450
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828
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:49,980
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829
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830
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831
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840
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[Music]

841
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:49,430
July 1st 1965 fell in Seoul France it

842
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:51,060
was approximately six in the morning

843
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,880
when Maurice Moss was getting ready for

844
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:55,800
work on his farm

845
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:58,800
suddenly he heard a strange noise coming

846
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,079
from his lavender field

847
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:03,599
Moss assumed it was one of the military

848
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:06,180
helicopters that would occasionally land

849
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:08,760
on his property worried that the

850
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,619
helicopter might be crushing his

851
00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:12,839
lavender he made his way over to the

852
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:15,420
field and intended to tell the pilot to

853
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,119
park someplace else

854
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,880
but rather than a helicopter Moss

855
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:23,220
stumbled upon an egg-shaped vehicle

856
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:27,180
about the size of an automobile

857
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,900
it stood on six thin legs sitting about

858
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:33,839
200 feet away from him he noticed two

859
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:37,200
small boys about four feet tall standing

860
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,619
near the craft apparently observing the

861
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:43,920
lavender as Moss began to walk closer to

862
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,740
confront these boys he realized they

863
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,300
weren't boys at all

864
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,000
they weren't even human

865
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,420
dressed in green one-piece suits these

866
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:56,880
creatures had abnormally large and bald

867
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,839
heads no lips pointed chins pale skin

868
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,599
and small hands

869
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:05,820
one of the creatures suddenly turned

870
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:09,300
around and pointed a small tube at Moss

871
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:12,900
blasting him with a light that paralyzed

872
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:13,740
him

873
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:16,260
these creatures stared at Moss for about

874
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:18,420
a minute communicating with one another

875
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:21,720
by low guttural grunts

876
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:24,420
a door then slayed open across the craft

877
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:27,020
and the two mysterious creatures

878
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:29,820
disappeared into it after the door

879
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:32,460
closed the craft took off into the sky

880
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,180
and out of Moss's sight

881
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:38,640
so was paralyzed for about 15 minutes

882
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:41,880
before he could even begin to move after

883
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:43,859
checking to inspect the marks the

884
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,619
Craft's legs had made on his lavender he

885
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:49,140
rushed to town and told a cafe owner

886
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,700
what had happened

887
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:53,280
it wasn't long before the story hit the

888
00:41:00,250 --> 00:40:56,339
media and authorities and Moss's Farm

889
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,260
soon became infested with tourists

890
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:03,240
UFO investigators took samples of the

891
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:06,359
lavender and soil allegedly touched by

892
00:41:11,950 --> 00:41:09,300
the craft and Moss freely talked to them

893
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,960
about his experience

894
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,160
investigators found that the ground or

895
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:16,740
the craft had landed was soaked with

896
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:20,000
moisture although no rain had fallen he

897
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:22,740
geometrically spaced indentations cover

898
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:25,380
the area and the plants were affected by

899
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,060
the proximity of the phenomenon

900
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:30,000
appearing to decay in direct proportion

901
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,740
to their distance from the central

902
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:34,440
column of The Craft

903
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,380
the calcium content of the soil at the

904
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,599
Landing site was found to be much higher

905
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,880
than in samples taken from other areas

906
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,099
in the field

907
00:41:49,849 --> 00:41:46,619
the case caught the attention of noted

908
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:49,859
UFO researcher and astronomer Dr Jacques

909
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:51,900
Valley and all of a sudden he was

910
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:55,440
paralyzed he saw two small creatures

911
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:57,060
they were not quite the ones that you

912
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,820
have here they were looked they looked

913
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:02,160
they were very small but they had normal

914
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:03,960
heads and they were they had normal

915
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,920
human features but he was paralyzed and

916
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,079
they started speaking to each other in

917
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,000
some strange language went back into the

918
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:13,980
object the object took off the

919
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,000
interesting thing is that there were

920
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:17,220
traces left those traces were studied by

921
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:18,540
various agencies of the French

922
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,520
government there was no question he was

923
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:22,800
not lying the the traces could not be

924
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,220
duplicated the and he was paralyzed for

925
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:28,680
20 minutes after the object left which

926
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,839
is this very interesting from a point of

927
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,820
view of the the effect of the kind of

928
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,740
radiation that that object may have been

929
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:37,200
creating and this is a very common

930
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:39,780
report on the power of witnesses of the

931
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:42,180
this feeling of paralysis

932
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,220
valet returned to the scene of the

933
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,160
incident in 1979 and meeting with

934
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,200
Maurice moss and two of his close

935
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,140
friends made a number of interesting

936
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,440
observations valet noted that Moss was

937
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,599
reluctant to give all the details of his

938
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:00,240
experience to investigators as well as

939
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:03,660
to his own family at the time including

940
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,640
the fact that he believed that some type

941
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:07,980
of Silent Communication took place

942
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,579
between himself and these creatures from

943
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:13,920
the beginning he wanted to minimize the

944
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:16,140
impact of the experience not wanting

945
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,380
publicity amongst other reasons like

946
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,020
many experiencers of this phenomenon he

947
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,599
had changed in many ways as a result of

948
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:27,480
the experience including the belief that

949
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,380
some form of contact once established

950
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:33,480
continued in subtle forms

951
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,180
valet concluded that quote throughout

952
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,819
this discussion with Mr Moss I had the

953
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,040
feeling that I was in the presence of a

954
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:43,740
very intelligent man capable of Deep

955
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,220
Emotions and rational thought he is also

956
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,160
quite humble he has declined to appear

957
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,440
on a television documentary with a

958
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,839
nationally known journalist I had

959
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:56,940
brought with me a photograph of similar

960
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,300
traces left after another case Mr Moss

961
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:02,880
looked at me with a mixture of amazement

962
00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:05,940
and relief that someone else was aware

963
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,819
of these particular marks he told us

964
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:10,740
that he sometimes found them in his

965
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,980
field that's how he knows that they have

966
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:15,180
come back

967
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:19,560
he always erases the traces immediately

968
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,980
reflecting back on this experience Moss

969
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:25,020
said that he wasn't afraid at all during

970
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:27,060
the encounter and believed that the

971
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,140
creatures had no desire to hurt him Moss

972
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,780
did however refuse to elaborate on the

973
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,000
psychological and physical effects he

974
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:37,920
felt afterward

975
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,099
he did admit to feeling extremely sleepy

976
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:43,560
during the first few weeks sometimes

977
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,740
sleeping up to 12 hours a day in

978
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,200
particular there was one big detail of

979
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,599
the encounter that he refused to discuss

980
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,599
with anybody he was quoted as saying

981
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:57,540
nobody will make me tell it

982
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:00,780
his wife later said in an interview that

983
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,460
he constantly thought about the

984
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,040
creatures and quote considered his

985
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:07,020
encounter with them a spiritual

986
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,760
experience whatever else he saw or heard

987
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:14,640
or experienced Moss would take to the

988
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:19,380
Grave with him dying on May 14 2004.

989
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,140
and with that we will never truly know

990
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:24,240
the one detail of the encounter he

991
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:26,760
refused to share with the public

992
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,339
in this enduring mystery of the

993
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:31,740
encounter in the lavender field May

994
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:34,780
forever remain unexplained

995
00:45:55,930 --> 00:46:05,630
[Music]

996
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,010
on the evening of September 4th 1964 28

997
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,480
year old Donald Shrum along with two

998
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,060
friends Vincent Alvarez and Tim

999
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:17,640
Trueblood were hunting in the Tahoe

1000
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:20,040
National Forest near Cisco Grove

1001
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:22,920
California all had considerable

1002
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:25,859
experience bow hunting in all were

1003
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:28,980
overall General outdoorsmen on this

1004
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,599
particular night after having

1005
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,940
established a camp they found themselves

1006
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:34,859
hunting for deer

1007
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,140
perhaps due to their comfort in the

1008
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,240
outdoor environment with a night fast

1009
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,760
approaching no less all agreed that they

1010
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:43,680
would push deep into the woods in

1011
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,440
pursuit of their targets and if they had

1012
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:48,720
to spend the night in the woods and

1013
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:50,579
Rendezvous back in the camp in the

1014
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:53,579
morning before long all three of them

1015
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,500
found themselves separated from one

1016
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:58,140
another looking for their potential

1017
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,579
targets

1018
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,800
with daylight losing the battle against

1019
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:04,200
the night Shrum would make the decision

1020
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:06,540
to find somewhere to bed down for the

1021
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:07,200
night

1022
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:10,500
or more accurately bed up

1023
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,900
Shrum had with him a military-style belt

1024
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,640
which allowed for him to secure himself

1025
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,520
in a tree given the number of wild

1026
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:19,920
animals who might wish to turn the

1027
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,740
tables on the hunter Shrum believed this

1028
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,020
was a preferable option to camping on

1029
00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:27,599
the ground alone and ultimately

1030
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,839
defenseless shortly after securing

1031
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:33,359
himself for the night a strange light

1032
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:35,700
appeared in the distance

1033
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,819
of more concern to Shrum was a

1034
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:41,339
zigzagging pattern around the trees at

1035
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,540
low altitude which headed towards him

1036
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:47,160
thinking his two friends had arranged a

1037
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,020
search for him in the form of a

1038
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,660
helicopter he jumped from the tree and

1039
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:53,700
quickly released three of his flares to

1040
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,579
give away his destination as he was

1041
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,560
waving his arms and yelling for

1042
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:01,200
attention he began to realize what was

1043
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:03,660
heading his way wasn't a rescue

1044
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:05,940
helicopter after all

1045
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:08,460
the glowing object finally stopped

1046
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,220
around 50 yards from his position

1047
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,800
it was spherical but unlike anything

1048
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,800
he'd ever seen before he quickly made

1049
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:19,200
his way back up the tree making sure his

1050
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,700
bow was ready

1051
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:23,280
fear was now rising at a seemingly

1052
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,760
Unstoppable rate within him that fear

1053
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,520
would rise even more when three small

1054
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:32,640
humanoid creatures emerged from the

1055
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,859
craft and began making their way

1056
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,900
straight towards him

1057
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,839
as they came closer he could see that

1058
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:41,700
while two of them were most definitely

1059
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,319
humanoid the third was more robot-like

1060
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,480
the two humanoids began to shake the

1061
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:51,119
tree obviously in an effort to force him

1062
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:54,540
from it he would cling on with all his

1063
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,260
strength however when a white Vapor shot

1064
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,839
out from the robotic creature's mouth he

1065
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:02,880
later realized he was knocked

1066
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,920
unconscious only momentarily however

1067
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,839
aside from an intense feeling of nausea

1068
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,720
he was unharmed he began lighting the

1069
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,240
matches he used for his flares dropping

1070
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:17,160
them towards the menacing Trio in an

1071
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,220
effort to force them away although they

1072
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:22,440
would back away for a short while they

1073
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,380
soon continued their assault

1074
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,140
by this time Shrum had managed to load

1075
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,560
an arrow into his bow and let it fly

1076
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:35,040
it soared into the robot's Direction

1077
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,460
Slater a shower of Sparks flew into the

1078
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,040
air suggesting a direct hit

1079
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:43,680
as quickly as he could he fired two more

1080
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:45,900
arrows in the general vicinity of the

1081
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,599
creature's location causing all of them

1082
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:51,839
to back away however before he could

1083
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:54,839
take advantage of the situation a second

1084
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,560
robot appeared and once again a white

1085
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,500
Vapor hit shrung and caused him to lose

1086
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:04,079
Consciousness again

1087
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:07,319
when he awoke this final time he was

1088
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,819
alone

1089
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:10,980
there was no sign of the ship having

1090
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:14,280
returned but all the creatures including

1091
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:16,920
the robots were gone

1092
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:19,500
he dropped himself from the tree dazed

1093
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:22,740
tired but largely unhurt

1094
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,900
he would set out for the pre-arranged

1095
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,599
meeting place of the campsite from the

1096
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,579
previous afternoon

1097
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:32,040
once there he would discover both of his

1098
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,760
friends waiting for him as planned

1099
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,200
incidentally all three of the men would

1100
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:39,359
return to the destination later that day

1101
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,260
after hearing shrum's incredible story

1102
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,599
they did find several of the arrows he

1103
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:48,180
had fired as well as several pieces of

1104
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,040
charred clothing

1105
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,319
his two friends would believe his claims

1106
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,960
though in part due to Alvarez's own

1107
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:57,000
sighting of the glowing craft leaving

1108
00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:58,920
the scene

1109
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:01,619
however when shrum's mother-in-law upon

1110
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:03,720
hearing of the encounter told an

1111
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:05,579
astronomer friend from the local College

1112
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,240
things begin to take a gritty turn

1113
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:11,520
the astronomer would immediately contact

1114
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:15,059
the nearby McClelland Air Force Base he

1115
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,220
would inform them of the account and the

1116
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:19,680
location of the witness

1117
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,440
even more bizarre instead of visiting

1118
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:24,839
him at his home to listen to his version

1119
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,240
of events even though he had not yet

1120
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,119
made any sort of report they would

1121
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:33,180
arrange to meet in an empty house at an

1122
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:36,119
off-base Housing Development

1123
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:39,480
Trump would agree to the meeting the two

1124
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,339
officers present would listen to his

1125
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,980
account and then confiscate several of

1126
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,420
the arrows

1127
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,000
later claims suggested that these had

1128
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:52,079
shavings of the robot on them then the

1129
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:54,660
officers insisted that what he had just

1130
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,319
described to them hadn't happened or not

1131
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:00,599
in the way he remembered

1132
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:02,940
furthermore they would present several

1133
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:06,000
alternative scenarios as if giving him

1134
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,660
the opportunity to pick one for himself

1135
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:11,700
he would eventually agree that he wasn't

1136
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,520
certain of what he'd seen

1137
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:16,680
if for no other reason than to keep his

1138
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:20,240
employers from facing similar questions

1139
00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:23,400
Shrum has stuck to the same story and

1140
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:25,740
version of events for over half a

1141
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,980
century I'm going to leave you with an

1142
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:31,140
audio clip of an interview conducted by

1143
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,000
UFO researcher and author Reuben riarte

1144
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:38,640
for a complete and comprehensive look at

1145
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:40,680
this case be sure to purchase the book

1146
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:44,460
aliens in the forest The Cisco Grove UFO

1147
00:52:48,970 --> 00:52:47,819
incident co-written by uriarte and no

1148
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:48,980
Torres

1149
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,440
in this exclusive interview you'll hear

1150
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,500
Shrum recount that harrowing day in his

1151
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:58,319
own words and I heard some thrashing

1152
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,420
through the brush and probably five ten

1153
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:03,119
minutes these two humanoids come out of

1154
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:05,640
the brush and they kind of broke some of

1155
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,760
the brush off and and was looking at it

1156
00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:10,800
then they came straight underneath the

1157
00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:13,319
tree and looked up at me and I I knew

1158
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,040
right then I was fingered

1159
00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:19,020
they found you yeah they found me can

1160
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,780
you describe them for us

1161
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:22,740
yeah they were

1162
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:25,740
look like uh four or five feet of course

1163
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,260
I'm looking down at them so they they'd

1164
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:30,839
be shorter than they probably are and

1165
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,720
they had a silvery like a one-piece a

1166
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:36,240
suit on and it seemed like it had the

1167
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,200
the joints puffy joints you know on the

1168
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,200
shoulders and the elbows and and the

1169
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:45,839
legs I didn't see that clear were you

1170
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,200
able to see their faces no it was just a

1171
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,359
kind of a dark shadow I could see the

1172
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,480
the two uh like eyes that were looked

1173
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,640
like welding goggles to me they're the

1174
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:58,440
same as welding goggles they're about

1175
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,540
two inches in diameter it reminded me

1176
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:03,119
just like I said like a welding goggles

1177
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:04,859
and then the rest of the face was kind

1178
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:07,260
of a blur I couldn't see looking down at

1179
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:10,680
them then I saw two flashing red orange

1180
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,319
eyes just picking its way down the ridge

1181
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:15,839
Just Between the rocks and and around

1182
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:18,599
them and everything and come down and

1183
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:22,680
was on this big boulder this big flat

1184
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:26,040
Rock and then he kind of looked up at me

1185
00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:28,859
and he moved his hand to the fires

1186
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:30,920
descenders and kind of scattered them

1187
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,460
then he come down up on the Rock he was

1188
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,119
about seven feet from me and then he he

1189
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,240
touched his mouth and the kind of a

1190
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,119
steam Vapor come out of his mouth and it

1191
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:47,520
lit up his face so I could see some

1192
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,359
detail and then I I blacked out when

1193
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:53,940
that steam hit me kind of took the air

1194
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,460
from me and I'd gas for air and then

1195
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:59,760
black out and I fell over my bow that's

1196
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:01,020
the only thing that kept me in the tree

1197
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:03,720
and then so I figured they were out to

1198
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:06,800
get me then the eyes of this other

1199
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:10,079
creature like the robot what did that

1200
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,660
look like to you it had kind of like

1201
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:15,359
fire it's kind of a orange reddish

1202
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:18,180
orange or yellowish orange it kind of

1203
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:19,980
flickered like fire and they're about

1204
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:22,380
the same diameter as about two inches in

1205
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:25,800
diameter her as the humanoids I had a 60

1206
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:29,040
pound bow which is a very high velocity

1207
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,319
it seems how the robot is the only thing

1208
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:33,960
that was causing me harm I shot the

1209
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,359
chest area and it had the velocity of a

1210
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,119
rifle at that at that distance because

1211
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:41,520
I'm only about seven eight feet from him

1212
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,059
and it when I hit the chest the Sparks

1213
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:47,819
would fly like an arc welder kind of and

1214
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:50,819
then that that robot backed up and

1215
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,579
almost knocked him down he kind of fell

1216
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:56,400
back against a rod and then I ran out of

1217
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,599
uh arrows so I only had three left and I

1218
00:56:06,049 --> 00:56:02,460
thought well I had that's when Paul made

1219
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,059
hair is just I mean the cap I had on was

1220
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,240
just soaked with oil this is for your

1221
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:11,400
hair yeah from my hair yeah yeah yeah

1222
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:15,540
Pomade and I always carried all kinds of

1223
00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:18,180
books and matches with me when I hunted

1224
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:20,940
and so I lit that cap and it just blazed

1225
00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:23,099
up and I dropped it down the bases the

1226
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:26,819
tree and just in that instant they moved

1227
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:31,619
back about 12 15 feet and the the I

1228
00:56:37,549 --> 00:56:35,280
glanced over at the ship that was over

1229
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,559
the canyon kind of almost level with me

1230
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:39,720
and it was almost out of sight it was

1231
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,420
just like a star it moved that fast just

1232
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,760
in that second so then I got the idea

1233
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,400
that they're scared to fire so I I

1234
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:49,440
burned everything but my t-shirt and my

1235
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,160
jeans and come to find out later on that

1236
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:55,920
it was 32 degrees out and I was shaking

1237
00:57:01,730 --> 00:56:58,440
and kind of Overexposed for the weather

1238
00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:01,740
but when I threw my after my hat I threw

1239
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:05,099
my canteen down and they they picked it

1240
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:07,500
up and looked at it and threw it back

1241
00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:10,440
down when I run out of stuff to burn I

1242
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:12,599
headed for the top of the tree and then

1243
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,780
then I'd I'd uh it was pretty sparse

1244
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:18,240
tree I could see down to the ground and

1245
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:20,760
I broke off the top and threw it down

1246
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:24,420
and anytime I throw down or shake the

1247
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:27,300
tree these humanoids would back up when

1248
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,099
I was up in the top of that tree I

1249
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,500
thought about just jumping off and

1250
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,660
jumping down the canyon and just killing

1251
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:35,339
myself but the only thing that kept me

1252
00:57:42,690 --> 00:57:38,099
going is I had the little girl my wife

1253
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:51,270
[Music]

1254
00:57:57,540 --> 00:58:07,990
foreign

1255
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:16,069
[Music]

1256
00:58:22,329 --> 00:58:18,700
foreign

1257
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:25,490
Irwin was a Nike missile technician at

1258
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:28,980
Fort Bliss in El Paso Texas on February

1259
00:58:36,589 --> 00:58:33,119
28 1959 he was driving back from Nampa

1260
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,599
Idaho where he'd been on leave at Cedar

1261
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:39,720
City Utah he turned Southeast onto Route

1262
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:42,960
14 about six miles from the turn off he

1263
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,540
spotted a glowing object that seemed to

1264
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,520
come to Earth in a field just off the

1265
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:49,440
road thinking he had seen an airplane

1266
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:52,799
crash or at least a forced Landing he

1267
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,180
stopped to see if he could give

1268
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:56,880
assistance he wrote a note and placed it

1269
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:59,339
on the steering wheel of his car it read

1270
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:02,099
quote have gone to investigate possible

1271
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:04,980
plane crash please call Law Enforcement

1272
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:09,240
Officers end quote then he wrote stop in

1273
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,339
large letters on the side of his car

1274
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,980
about 30 minutes later a fish and game

1275
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,960
inspector happened to be driving past

1276
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:18,960
and stopped at Irwin's car he saw the

1277
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:20,760
note and took it to the Cedar City

1278
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:23,220
Sheriff's Office where where Sheriff

1279
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:25,619
Otto Fife gathered a party of volunteers

1280
00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:27,900
and returned to the site when they

1281
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,359
searched they found no trace of a plane

1282
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,880
crash but they found private Gary Irwin

1283
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,520
unconscious in a field by the side of

1284
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:38,640
the road 90 minutes had passed since he

1285
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,400
had first seen the glowing object Irwin

1286
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,680
was taken to the hospital in Cedar City

1287
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:46,319
where Dr Broadbent could find nothing

1288
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:48,599
physically wrong with him Irwin was

1289
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:51,240
merely asleep and could not be awakened

1290
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:54,059
Dr Broadbent could find no explanation

1291
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,180
for this so his diagnosis was hysteria

1292
01:00:01,849 --> 00:59:59,520
when private Irwin eventually awoke he

1293
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:01,859
felt perfectly well but he was mystified

1294
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,680
by the glowing object he had seen he was

1295
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,960
also confused by the fact that his

1296
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:09,359
jacket was missing the sheriff's search

1297
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:11,880
party stated that he was not wearing it

1298
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,099
when they found him Irwin was flown back

1299
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,079
to Fort Bliss and placed under

1300
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:18,960
observation at William Beaumont Army

1301
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:21,480
hospital for several days after which he

1302
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,640
was released just as fit to return to

1303
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:26,400
duty the episode was not over yet though

1304
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:29,160
some days later Irwin fainted on base

1305
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:31,500
and a few days after that he fainted

1306
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:33,960
while in the city of El Paso he was

1307
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:35,700
taken to Southwest General Hospital

1308
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:38,040
where he was found once again to be

1309
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:40,980
asleep and unwakable about 24 hours

1310
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:43,740
later he awoke asking quote were there

1311
01:00:48,829 --> 01:00:46,440
any survivors he behaved as if he had

1312
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:48,839
lost all memory of the period between

1313
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:51,599
seeing the object on February 28 in Utah

1314
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:55,319
and waking up on March 16th in El Paso

1315
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:57,720
once again he was taken to William

1316
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,119
Beaumont Army hospital where he was

1317
01:01:05,089 --> 01:01:01,920
placed under observation by

1318
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:05,099
psychiatrists after one month extensive

1319
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:07,020
testing could find nothing wrong with

1320
01:01:13,069 --> 01:01:10,619
him so he was released on April 17th the

1321
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,079
next day Irwin was seized by a powerful

1322
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:15,599
impulse that made him take a bus from El

1323
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,660
Paso to Cedar City arriving on April

1324
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,599
19th he then walked back to the field in

1325
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,480
which Sheriff's party had found him he

1326
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:27,359
found his jacket on a bush there was a

1327
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:29,400
pencil stuck in one of its buttonholes

1328
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:31,619
with a piece of paper while tightly

1329
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:34,200
around it Irwin burned the paper and

1330
01:01:39,049 --> 01:01:36,299
then seemed to come out of some kind of

1331
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,059
Trance he could not recall the path back

1332
01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:41,520
to the road or why he'd come there he

1333
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:43,559
made his way back to Cedar City and

1334
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,900
turned himself in to sheriff Otto Fife

1335
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,299
who told Irwin about his first encounter

1336
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:51,599
on the 28th of February once again Irwin

1337
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:53,880
returned to Fort Bliss and was given

1338
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,940
psychological examinations on July 10th

1339
01:02:01,849 --> 01:01:59,400
he again entered William Beaumont Army

1340
01:02:04,130 --> 01:02:01,859
hospital he was discharged again but on

1341
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:04,140
August 1st he failed to report for Duty

1342
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:06,900
and one month later he was listed as a

1343
01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:09,920
deserter after this private Gary Irwin

1344
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:12,839
disappeared from the public View and his

1345
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:16,260
current if he still is alive whereabouts

1346
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:18,410
are unknown

1347
01:02:47,950 --> 01:02:25,980
[Music]

1348
01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,089
December 14 1994 Trumbull County Ohio

1349
01:02:58,970 --> 01:02:55,799
just after midnight a series of calls

1350
01:03:01,630 --> 01:02:58,980
was received by 9-1-1 operators these

1351
01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:01,640
reports all involved one thing

1352
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:04,020
low-flying UFOs

1353
01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:05,940
the majority of these calls were heard

1354
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:09,480
by dispatcher Roy and Rudolph everything

1355
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:11,099
from somebody who's casually stating

1356
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,660
they saw something in the air to

1357
01:03:26,109 --> 01:03:15,119
somebody who was hysterical and and

1358
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:29,870
we just kind of took it for okay this is

1359
01:03:33,049 --> 01:03:31,740
people being hysterical over a weather

1360
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,059
balloon or this is people being

1361
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:35,760
hysterical over a plane or a helicopter

1362
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,740
I wonder if you had anyone call you

1363
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:40,440
about a strange plane or airplane or

1364
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:42,200
something

1365
01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:45,540
downstairs I don't know what it was it

1366
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:47,700
was a flying saucer what does it look

1367
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,040
like man it was like a uh almost like an

1368
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:52,079
iridescent color it was like a bluish

1369
01:03:55,970 --> 01:03:53,220
purple

1370
01:03:59,030 --> 01:03:55,980
but because of the extraordinary number

1371
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:59,040
of calls Rudolph decided to notify the

1372
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:01,920
police of Liberty Township

1373
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:04,260
the first police unit contacted thought

1374
01:04:08,089 --> 01:04:06,180
that the reports were probably nothing

1375
01:04:10,910 --> 01:04:08,099
to worry about and that a plane was

1376
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:10,920
probably flying low Sergeant Toby

1377
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,500
malloro was the first officer on the

1378
01:04:16,910 --> 01:04:15,240
scene

1379
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:16,920
it took a few minutes we kind of laughed

1380
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:18,540
about it I believed that I was going to

1381
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:21,480
see if anything a plane was Landing or a

1382
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:22,920
plane was low

1383
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:33,349
it down to Samson drive to check out the

1384
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:35,640
lights he was informed by a man on the

1385
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:38,280
street that the lights were moving south

1386
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:40,920
as malloro continued southerly his

1387
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:43,920
Cruiser went dead as he attempted to

1388
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,040
restart his vehicle it was engulfed by a

1389
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:49,440
bright white light from above

1390
01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:51,900
startled and frightened he exited his

1391
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,359
vehicle and stood outside looking up at

1392
01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:56,400
this giant object

1393
01:05:03,289 --> 01:04:59,400
circular in shape and intensely bright

1394
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,299
in the center after about 30 seconds the

1395
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:05,640
giant object started to move away and

1396
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:08,819
the thing that was very strange was

1397
01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:11,040
there was no sound

1398
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:13,799
after the object moves out of sight his

1399
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:16,920
vehicle began to function normally again

1400
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:19,020
trying to understand what he just seen

1401
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:23,220
he took off in pursuit of the UFO Melora

1402
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:25,980
was unable to keep Pace with this object

1403
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:28,559
he called dispatch informing them what

1404
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:30,660
he'd seen and gave the objects direction

1405
01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:32,280
of flight

1406
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,859
soon the information spread to active

1407
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:37,200
law enforcement units all across the

1408
01:05:41,569 --> 01:05:39,180
area in reports of the object's

1409
01:05:48,049 --> 01:05:41,579
Direction were used to triangulate the

1410
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,210
money anymore because it's getting to

1411
01:06:01,450 --> 01:05:52,559
the point where I don't know whether to

1412
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:05,410
people are serious they're very upset

1413
01:06:10,809 --> 01:06:07,980
I mean literally if you were underneath

1414
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:10,819
it would be like daylight

1415
01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:13,500
dispatcher Rudolph later stated that at

1416
01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:17,640
least 14 to 15 officers had seen the UFO

1417
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,619
the reports of the object and its

1418
01:06:24,289 --> 01:06:21,720
movements were openly discussed among

1419
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,299
the officers on the police radio

1420
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:26,700
police dispatch with reports of the UFO

1421
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:28,680
spreading to adjacent communities called

1422
01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:31,740
the local airport FAA control tower and

1423
01:06:37,849 --> 01:06:34,020
asked if they had anything unusual on

1424
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:40,250
we have reported from flying object in

1425
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:42,299
our jurisdiction do you know of anything

1426
01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:43,980
that should be in our airspace this time

1427
01:06:52,690 --> 01:06:45,500
close to the ground

1428
01:06:57,770 --> 01:06:55,609
of Youngstown and there is nothing out

1429
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:57,780
there Lieutenant James Baker of the

1430
01:07:02,450 --> 01:06:59,400
Brookfield Township Police Department

1431
01:07:05,569 --> 01:07:02,460
was one of the officers monitoring the

1432
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:05,579
Fantastic calls and he decided to have a

1433
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,520
look for himself he climbed up into an

1434
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:11,520
abandoned radar Tower in the area to get

1435
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,500
a better look at this object

1436
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:15,839
as he reached the top of the tower he

1437
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,200
was shocked at what he saw not one but

1438
01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,119
three UFOs

1439
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:23,579
all three objects were in a triangular

1440
01:07:28,970 --> 01:07:26,220
pattern with the middle objects slightly

1441
01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:28,980
higher than the two on the side

1442
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:31,140
also Baker stated that the object

1443
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:34,559
changed colors in unison red yellow blue

1444
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,180
and green

1445
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,400
he reported his observations to the

1446
01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:40,740
other patrolmen on duty I got him right

1447
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:50,450
him I got red yellow green and blue and

1448
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:52,680
the one just was like flashing so if

1449
01:07:56,569 --> 01:07:54,180
there are those planets those guys were

1450
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,579
talking about then their uh plants with

1451
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:00,079
Christmas lights on this is weird

1452
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,210
please be a plane oh please

1453
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:10,559
astronomers have tried to explain away

1454
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:13,260
the sightings as simple stars that

1455
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:15,059
appeared to be low in the sky and

1456
01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:21,050
purely the police officer who saw the

1457
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:23,819
very intense bright light very likely

1458
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:26,699
saw a fireball the fireball is a very

1459
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,739
very bright meteor that can be many

1460
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:30,839
times brighter than the full moon I

1461
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,299
think the car stalling was just a

1462
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:34,980
coincidence had nothing to do with this

1463
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,859
whatsoever it obviously it had to be

1464
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:39,480
involved in my Crews were shutting down

1465
01:08:43,570 --> 01:08:41,160
there was no problem with my car because

1466
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:43,580
it started back up

1467
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:45,779
I was told that it may have been the

1468
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:47,699
planet Mercury it was not the planet

1469
01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:49,020
Mercury

1470
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:51,060
some have theorized that the objects

1471
01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:52,859
seen by the policemen of Trumbull County

1472
01:08:57,709 --> 01:08:55,319
was a top secret craft from the

1473
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:57,719
Youngstown Air Reserve Base

1474
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,020
however Captain John kitak from the base

1475
01:09:06,910 --> 01:09:03,660
stated that there were no planes or

1476
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:06,920
experimental craft flying that night

1477
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:09,960
I can't you know speak for other people

1478
01:09:13,010 --> 01:09:11,940
who say they may or may not have seen

1479
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,020
something

1480
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:16,319
what I can talk from with authority is

1481
01:09:19,610 --> 01:09:18,060
what happened here at the base and what

1482
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:19,620
our involvement was and there was

1483
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:22,020
apparently none the policemen of Ohio

1484
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:24,540
have spoken often about what they saw on

1485
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,299
December 14 1994.

1486
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:30,060
police cars that inexplicably stalled

1487
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,940
light beams engulfing the vehicles one

1488
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:34,920
or more structured craft of a nature

1489
01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:38,640
never seen before or since

1490
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:41,100
the 1994 sightings of Trumbull County

1491
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:44,400
have never been adequately explained

1492
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:46,980
and as usual leave us with more

1493
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:49,500
questions than answers I'm not saying

1494
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:51,719
what I saw was it was a spaceship from

1495
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:54,900
outer space okay what I'm saying is I

1496
01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:57,900
saw an object that was not normal for

1497
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,420
this area it gave off an intense light

1498
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:02,880
it shut my cruiser off including my

1499
01:10:08,330 --> 01:10:06,060
radio I lost contact with the 911 Center

1500
01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:08,340
and it didn't make any noise it's

1501
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:09,719
something that I've never seen before

1502
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:12,900
I've never encountered before and I

1503
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:14,760
haven't encountered it since

1504
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:17,640
I do believe that they saw something I

1505
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:19,320
don't believe that it was a star there

1506
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,940
was something there when I walked away

1507
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:23,280
from that night was a feeling that this

1508
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,320
was a lot bigger than just a couple

1509
01:10:30,169 --> 01:10:26,880
people saying they saw a light in the

1510
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,179
sky and it made us think maybe a small

1511
01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:32,280
place like Trumbull County can something

1512
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:49,070
[Music]

1513
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:53,510
Friday March 4th 1988 all four members

1514
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:55,800
of the baker family were driving home

1515
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:58,739
following their usual Friday night meal

1516
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:02,400
it was a little after 8 30 PM Henry the

1517
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,620
father was driving and the two children

1518
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:06,719
were in the back seat the heavily

1519
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:08,940
pregnant Sheila the mother looked out

1520
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,580
the passenger window at the Frozen Lake

1521
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:12,960
Erie

1522
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:16,260
the ice almost shined in the Moonlight

1523
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,620
then she saw something strangely lit

1524
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:22,320
looking as if it was rocking on the

1525
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:24,360
surface of the lake

1526
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:26,460
she nudged her husband who took his

1527
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:28,620
attention away from the road

1528
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:31,920
he could see it also that Schiller's

1529
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:33,780
insistence he would turn the car's

1530
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:36,780
direction towards the Waterfront once

1531
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,760
there they instructed their sons to

1532
01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:40,800
remain in the vehicle

1533
01:11:45,649 --> 01:11:43,080
stepped out into the cold night and

1534
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,659
began to cautiously make their way to

1535
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,280
the water's edge

1536
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,920
the lights were still there

1537
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:52,320
what Sheila first noticed though were

1538
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:54,600
sounds that appeared to be the ice of

1539
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:56,940
the frozen lake cracking

1540
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:59,460
she would liken them to collapse of

1541
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:00,600
thunder

1542
01:12:04,729 --> 01:12:02,340
as they got as near as they could

1543
01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:04,739
without stepping on the ice they could

1544
01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:07,260
clearly make out a football-shaped

1545
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:09,719
object with bright white lights at

1546
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:12,659
either end the object itself appeared to

1547
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:15,540
be of a gunmetal gray color and was

1548
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,060
hovering overhead as opposed to being on

1549
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:21,000
the surface despite the obvious movement

1550
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,580
the strange craft made no noise

1551
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:25,199
whatsoever

1552
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:28,199
all Sheila could hear were the sounds of

1553
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,820
cracking ice

1554
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:32,159
suddenly as if it had become aware of

1555
01:12:38,030 --> 01:12:34,860
their presence the objects swung towards

1556
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:38,040
them heading in their Direction panicked

1557
01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:40,260
and frightened the couple turned and ran

1558
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:42,120
back to their car

1559
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,219
Henry would drive the remainder of the

1560
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:47,280
journey completely uneasy

1561
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:49,260
once the Bakers arrived at their home

1562
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:52,140
and settled their children to bed Sheila

1563
01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:54,120
would contact the police to report the

1564
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:57,060
sighting the police would tell her that

1565
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:58,980
she would have to make the report to the

1566
01:13:02,270 --> 01:13:00,300
Coast Guard

1567
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,280
she did and despite their initial

1568
01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:04,500
refusal to deal with the case they

1569
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:06,600
eventually agreed to pick them up and

1570
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,000
take them back to the Waterfront

1571
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:11,760
meanwhile The Bakers could clearly see

1572
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:13,560
the object hovering over the lake from

1573
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:15,780
the window of their house

1574
01:13:21,709 --> 01:13:18,420
as they watched six independent

1575
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:21,719
triangular objects suddenly emerged from

1576
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,719
the larger craft they would move around

1577
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:27,120
the main object in a darting motion

1578
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:31,199
before halting to a complete stop these

1579
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,300
triangular objects would then move in

1580
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:35,760
the direction of the peri-nuclear power

1581
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:37,860
plant nearby

1582
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:40,020
The Bakers would ask their neighbor to

1583
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:41,820
watch their children and when the Coast

1584
01:13:45,169 --> 01:13:43,620
Guard arrived they would accompany them

1585
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,179
back to the lake

1586
01:13:50,689 --> 01:13:47,760
according to the officers James power

1587
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:50,699
and John knob several other reports

1588
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:53,400
including from their own employees had

1589
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,800
come in regarding the object

1590
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:57,960
as the Coast Guard's vehicle pulled up

1591
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:00,719
at the waterfront the smaller triangular

1592
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:03,420
objects were once again circling the

1593
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:05,100
main craft

1594
01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:07,020
as soon as the coast guards opened their

1595
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:10,620
car doors the sound of rumbling ice met

1596
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,340
everyone's ears this noise was constant

1597
01:14:19,729 --> 01:14:17,040
as if the object's purpose was to crack

1598
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:19,739
the ice and gain access to the water

1599
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,239
below

1600
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:23,520
the Coast Guard's report would state

1601
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:27,120
that the ice was crackling and moving

1602
01:14:32,209 --> 01:14:29,400
whenever the object came closer to the

1603
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,219
surface the cracking sounds became more

1604
01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:33,600
intense

1605
01:14:37,550 --> 01:14:35,640
the coast guards would radio back to

1606
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:37,560
their control base stating that the

1607
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:40,800
quote objects appear to be landing on

1608
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:43,140
the lake the coast guards would continue

1609
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:45,420
to advise the control room of the

1610
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,860
situation

1611
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,440
as the Triangular craft became more

1612
01:14:54,169 --> 01:14:51,900
active once more they would report that

1613
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,179
the other objects were moving all around

1614
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,640
and they were going at high rates of

1615
01:15:00,110 --> 01:14:57,600
speed

1616
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:00,120
as Sheila and Henry along with the two

1617
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:02,760
coast guards continued to watch the

1618
01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:05,219
fascinating display they noticed one of

1619
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:07,860
the triangles suddenly turn in their

1620
01:15:13,070 --> 01:15:10,920
Direction it was heading straight for

1621
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:13,080
the Coast Guard's vehicle

1622
01:15:18,169 --> 01:15:15,420
right before what seemed to be an

1623
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:18,179
inevitable impact the object veered

1624
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,300
upwards in a blur of light

1625
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,060
it then returned to the main large craft

1626
01:15:28,669 --> 01:15:27,120
as did all the other smaller triangular

1627
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:28,679
objects

1628
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:31,620
all the while the sound of ice cracking

1629
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,440
continued it seemed that the previously

1630
01:15:39,649 --> 01:15:36,780
bright white lights of the craft were

1631
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:39,659
now beginning to flash and glow in a

1632
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:43,620
display of red blue orange and green

1633
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:45,960
the craft itself appeared to be

1634
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:48,719
descending the lights went out for a

1635
01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:50,820
second and then returned

1636
01:15:57,410 --> 01:15:53,820
and then without warning the lights and

1637
01:15:59,870 --> 01:15:57,420
the rumbling noise were gone completely

1638
01:16:03,050 --> 01:15:59,880
the Witnesses were not clear if the

1639
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:03,060
craft had sped away or if the lights had

1640
01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:06,179
simply gone out perhaps it was still

1641
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:07,980
hovering over the ice

1642
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:10,880
only now they couldn't see it

1643
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:13,620
Sheila though would voice her suspicion

1644
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:16,800
for reasons she doesn't know that this

1645
01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:19,800
object plunged directly below the ice

1646
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,920
and into the Frozen Waters

1647
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,320
although several of the small triangular

1648
01:16:29,209 --> 01:16:27,360
objects were seen flying directly

1649
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:29,219
overhead a little later that evening

1650
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:33,420
this large craft didn't reappear one of

1651
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,460
the coast guards would report that the

1652
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:37,920
Triangular crafts behaved as though they

1653
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,500
were scouting the area

1654
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:42,960
none of the coast guards could identify

1655
01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:46,320
any of the objects they had witnessed in

1656
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:49,380
the Lake Erie close encounter remains to

1657
01:17:12,130 --> 01:17:02,350
[Music]

1658
01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:14,130
thank you

1659
01:17:24,540 --> 01:17:29,170
foreign

1660
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,180
[Music]